Thursday, November 27, 2008

Grey Skies and Glooms

I have been trying to start writing since the past two hours but it is not easy. I had originally started yesterday evening mentioning an overcast Bangalore the whole day and the gloominess it brought upon me, adding to my melancholy of the past few days. I would have ranted about the new grey template on my blog that sort of counteracted the grey skies by totally engrossing me in the various widgets where I got deep into css, javascript, and HTML to tweak the widgets according to my taste.

But things are quite different now. Today was overcast again and was dripping the entire day, the only thing that reminds of the 64 lives claimed (till the time of writing) in Tamil Nadu by Cyclone Nisha, a news subdued by the live coverage of terrorism in Mumbai since the past 24 hours. The war going on between creators of terror and NSG, RAF, Black Cats, and Mumbai Police at three sites in Mumbai has made the entire nation edgy. The grey moods and my kvetches are not even a drop against the oceans of depression and gloom brought in by the largest-ever terrorist attack on India and her populace.

The use of AK-47s and other automatic weapons did really create more mayhem and terror than bombs, which have anyways kept blowing intermittently. Firings could be heard throughout. The Indian financial capital has come to a standstill. Friends in Mumbai told me every Mumbaikar was afraid to go out today, nobody was sure whether they would come back. At times like these you feel very vulnerable and helpless. You don't know whether to cry over it or to blame the authorities for not having taken enough measures to foresee and prevent such acts of terror.

The entire sequence of events looks straight out from a Hollywood action movie, but the entire world is shaken. But that also depicts how cheap a human life is, an Indian's all the more. One 9/11 happened, and the US screwed up the entire world. Let us see what the Indian offices of power do. By evening the number of miscreants was decreasing, and various ministers could be seen on TV. Hostages who were spared the gun were being evacuated to safer places. The war is still on, and I know the armies and the forces will win; not reaching back alive would sure have been a part of the intricate plan the terrorists would have drafted.

The media has been sickening and overkilling, with all news channels removing everything else off the screens; even the tickers that keep shouting of Breaking News are all occupied by this horrendous incident. However, the media is the reason we know the exact picture out there and have so strong sentiments against both the terrorists and the lawmakers. Switching off news streams and delegating to the corrupt ministers won’t help. We need to do something proactive, starting from the root level. We need drastic reforms in our society and constitution and law and order. Don’t ask me where to begin; I don’t have an answer, we’ll have to find one.

PS: Rediff has a live commentary here on the ongoing war.


56 comments:

Anadi Misra said...

I can't tell how much anguish I feel at this moment...

I just want to know one thing...and I have asked this to everyone I have talked to today...What can/should we do to prevent this from happening again? Find out what it is, and lets start doing it...I am open to all suggestions...lets take our country back...I know it sounds far-fetched...but how can we sit and watch when our countrymen bleed..

ashes said...

Anadi :

Exactly. We cannot sit and watch our fellow countrymen bleed, we need to do something, but first we need to figure out what that something is. Let's find it out; it is far-fetched, but we need to act.

Cindy/Snid said...

I agree with many of your feelings- including those in regards to the gloomy weather. I hope that India will do what the US should have done. Instead of creating yet another war that the world doesn't need, we need to help those who live in situations that make them feel like the only way they can be heard is to create an event like this. I hope this makes a bit of sense- I feel like I am at a loss for the correct words these days...

ashes said...

Cindy:

Well, yes, you have a point and you make sense. However, I don't think this is an event scheduled with an objective of 'being heard'. I guess this is more to seek revenge (of God knows what) and create terror.

Venkatram said...

yes we can do something do these things,

Kick that asshole Gandhi who was not pratical and did not kick out these minorities out of country in 1947.

Our country is for the cowards,by the cowards,to the cowards and all hindus are cowards,we try to hide this impotency of ours under the grab of secularism.

Sorry if I sounding violent but I cudnt control when a unnikrishan was killed by terrorists.

Amiya Shrivastava said...

..It's a wake-up call...Go ahead...get elected...straighten up things..the very notion that politics is dirt and politicians are dirty is erratic and has given us a smugness that we are dutiful that's why we should blame the government...

The ones who have the potential can't be just neglectful...and how can they tolerate being ruled by the uneducated or less educated section of the society?

ashes said...

Venkat:

I agree, Mahatma Gandhi was not practical; it is difficult to put showing-the-other-cheek, being non-violent and tolerating all atrocities as being practical. But the point is, he got us independence by not being practical. And that is what matters in the end. [And I can write a book about his idealism that gave Indians India in the shape we have now.]

I think minorities are no issues at all, labelling them so is. And I am sorry to be rude, but which age do you think are you living in? I can't believe someone who works with me can have a mindset as wretched as that. Hindus!

And you are talking about one Hindu Unnikrishnan? Were all NSG, Black Cat, MARCOS, ATS, and Mumbai Police personnel who fought the terrorists Hindus? Do you suggest we should blame all non-Hindus for an act like the Mumbai Massacre? It is people like you who have been fuelling terrorism throughout the world. Come on man, what the fuck are you? And I can't believe I am actually replying to you, I don't have the words...

ashes said...

Amiya:

Well, that politics is dirt can be ascertained by switching on to any news channel post Nov 28 attacks. See the politicians bitching about each other and actually doing nothing.

Those who have the potential can't just be neglectful, but who is going to prevent them from being neglectful? Aren't we corrupt ourselves at the base level? Don't we try to bribe the cop who stops us after we jump a signal?

We cannot tolerate being ruled by the uneducated, but quite a sizeable portion of the Indian society is uneducated, and they want their representatives in the govt. So you see, the basic problem is not being tolerant, but being uneducated. The root problem is not that the politicians are bribed by powerful people, but that the cop at the roadside is bribed by the common man.

Amiya Shrivastava said...

I am not talking to a guy who doesn't understand what's going on but to a guy who is cognizant of the existing situation and therefore I expect him to act (He may be me or you or anybody else).

We cannot get rid of the fungus by skimming the surface (not accepting or giving bribe); we have to heal the core (get into the heart of the system and then cure it). As a matter of fact to do this we might have to bribe people.

Indigo said...

We definitely need to straighten up things. We can start by being honest at the basic level. There are two ways of breaching security- one by force and the other by treason. Force can be overpowered by force but corruption cannot be overcome by corruption. In fact it is more dangerous because it comes hidden and eats you from within. This is the biggest culprit that we need to fight against.

Amiya Shrivastava said...

Indigo, lemme explain you my point of view..for a moment think from an unbiased perspective as if the very thought is new to you without you being opinionated about it.

If I wanna heal a wound I cannot just keep dressing it again and again to avoid it getting worsen, I'll actually have to kill the bacterias within. To kill the bacterias I must understand their mechanism and modus operandi. Once we have understood that, we must figure their weaknesses and hijack their critical systems and fail them to eliminate them completely.

This directly translates here as follows:

The modus operandi of these callous demagogues is CORRUPTION, let's understand this and use corruption as a tool to defeat them. Once they are defeated, let's come to power and do the most needed - Development.

I fully comprehend that this is quite theoretical, but all the great events have had theories behind them. Lenin before the russian revolution documented his would be approach in a treatise Materialism and Empiriocriticism

ashes said...

Indigo:

Very valid point. Those are the two ways, and Mahatma Gandhi even overcame force without the use of force.

ashes said...

Amiya:

Taking your analogy of wounds and healing (which I have had enough of recently), you are right in that you need to kill the bacteria within. But you also need to prevent further entry of germs and infection into your system through the open portals of the wound. Till the wound is healed, you will have to keep it very safe and clean.

Similarly, we need to prevent entry of further corruption. The terrorists in Mumbai could not have entered the metropolis with so much ammunition had no one been corrupt, starting from the fishermen to the locals who'd have allegedly helped them.

Amiya Shrivastava said...

We concur again on the prevention strategy but I advocate only my attack strategy and I know that applying Gandhi strategy would certainly not let me see the developed India, may be my grandchildren will see if the new Gandhi will be alive during their time..

Amiya Shrivastava said...

Remember, in-out approach is always faster and effective than out-in approach...

..because the peel always covers the flesh. If the flesh is rotten, however good the peel is the entity will still be called rotten.

However, if the flesh is healthy you can always peel off the rotten layers and use the rest...

Amiya Shrivastava said...

And the terrorist would have not had entered the country had their been proper security measures put on by the Government after being warned by the US agencies twice..the fisherman unfortunately couldn't understand where he was fitted on the Grand scheme of things..If he had understood that, he would never have had let this happen

Venkatram said...

hey ashes,
I wonder sometime with what material our country are made of ,it confuses me.
I think u shud read books like "lajja" of bangladeshi writers how minorities especially hindus are tortured in thier by the muslim majority there.
What about kashmir?no bloody fellow there wants to be part of India and that is ultimate truth,what about assam which is going towards muslim majority and again this assam doesnt want to part of India now,why so?Are all these rules secularism only to hindus?
What about lahore ?it has more 4 million hindus and sikhs but they were told to leave in a single day in 1947 or die.Where was the secularism.
I think nobody can ever debate the fact the gandhi with his follishness resulted in death of 10 million hindus during partition.Gandhi was the worlds biggest impratical leader ,this is an open secret.
I think there is no use of talking about NSG,CRPF all nonsense first we should solve the political problem,then only some thing can be done.

Venkatram said...

hey ashes,
u have said "I think minorities are no issues at all" then why on earth was pakistan and bangladesh formed for timepass?
dnt tell they were feeling conjusted so they wanted some free space for themselves.
I think such kind of page3 people cannot understand ,such real people issues and always come out with impractical solutions which hurts all people even more.

Amiya Shrivastava said...

Venkat,

You are reading the surface, I have answered many on youtube and I have partial overlap with your ideas.

Let me point out the underlying problem with the country and I'd like you to read this all through out so that you can weigh the situation from all the angles.

The problem is population, Existing resources are not sufficient to support such a huge population and thereby resulting in mismanagement and therefore discontent among the people.

Lack of resources left people uneducated, and therefore they failed to analyze the macro effect on the society by their so-called mundane things.

Now the uneducated are not all Muslims they are diversified whether it's their religion, cast, monetary status etc.

Adding to this, the mismanagement was taken advantage of by the anti-social foreign elements and they started planting their pawns among us to destabilize us and their exact aim is to create discontent among the Indian Hindus and the Indian Muslims and destabilize the country.

We must understand this, I know the Hindus are being pushed to the limits but I also know that the instigator is not a common Muslim it's the uneducated getting aid from foreign agencies.

So, we must device a strategy to:
a) Control and bring down population
b) Incorporating mass education

Now since the Indian Medical Facilities are among the best in the world so therefore it's less likely that educated die early but the uneducated will certainly die and because he knows that he is less likely to live so to keep his legacy alive he'll reproduce by dozens and will therefore add a few dozen to the population without realizing that there are now no resources for their upbringing.
Had he been educated he would have had reproduced one baby and gotten it to have taken care of properly by available facilities.

Mass education schemes are already in place by the Indian Government(By the way how often do we praise the Government?), the only thing is that we need to strike deeper here and access all the remote areas to bust the illiteracy and ignorance. If you really want to reduce Hindu injustice, I'd recommend that you educate atleast 10 guys during your life time and not 10 old guys because they will anyway die...the young guys who have to live in the future!

JAI HIND!

ashes said...

Venkat:

Who said India was secular before Independence? It was much later, in 1976, that the term secular was added to the Indian constitution, during emergency.

Also, I said minorities are no issues at all, labelling them so is. India has 13.4% Muslims; there are countries like China, US, UK, Germany have 3%, 2%, 3%, 4% Muslims respectively. Many other countries have Muslims as minorities. If being a minority would have been a problem, why are there no issues with these minorities in these countries?

Small populations of different religions had been living cordially in India before Independence; it was only after partition that Muslims started being considered a minority in India. Or maybe it started before 1947, it was legalized at Independence. The British were half successful in their 'Divide and Rule'; they could not rule for ever, but they divided the Indians for ever.

Anadi Misra said...

ladai ladai maaf karo, Gandhi ji ko yaad karo :D

ashes said...

Amiya:

That's a very patriotic viewpoint. Good that you still have that in you even though you are in the US.

I almost agree with all of it except the bit about the instigator being an uneducated Muslim. It is not the uneducated, but the educated who is misled on pretexts of caste and religion, now even region, like the ones who follow the Thackerey.

Lack of education and population are the two biggest problems in India after corruption, and unless every (at least the educated) Indian realises that at the root level, these might be difficult to solve.

Venkatram said...

I think you are new to politics.

First of all I think your are totally mislead of the current percentage of muslims in India,it is atleast around 22 crores which is around 21%,this count of 13.4 has left out kashmir,assam etc.

Second this census by government of India under the congress has always falsely reported the total muslim population fearing a hindu backlash.This is an open secret everyone knows it.

Read the India 2050 population projection it says muslims and other minorities will be around 38% of the population,i.e around 65 crores.

Second point about partition,read the articles of partition carefully it is not the british but Iqbal(Famous Northern Frontier Leader) who coined the term of Independant state for muslims.
Read more about Iqbal and partition before you such immature things british divided India,etc etc.

Even today nobody in kashmir wants to be part ,god forbid dnt tell me british is saying them to do so.
What kerala boss ,even there is separatism?

ashes said...

Venkat:

Well, I don't know, those were the figures on the wiki page I linked to in my previous comment.

And anyway, a higher percentage than what I quoted gives my argument more points, and you seem to have not noticed that in your cynicism.

ashes said...

Anadi:

Come on man, join the debate; Gandhiji ko to yaad kar hi rahe hain hum :)

Anadi Misra said...

hum pak gaye hain is type ki ladai lad lad ke bachpan se...sirf khoon jalta hai mera, desh sudharta nahi...to ya to hum ab politics mein utarenge, tab bolenge, warna yeh debate nahi karenge...

2 panktiyan...Ek Ram Charit Manas se....doosri Ashfaq ki....ab jo waqt aa raha hai, uske liye apt hain....'Vinay nahi ab rann hoga, jeevan, jaya ya ki maraan hoga'...and expressing the similar sentiment from the oft quoted Sarfaroshi ki tamanna... 'Khoon se khelenge holi gar vatan mushqil mein hai'...not that I am in favor of militant nationalism, but if it is the need of the hour, then be it...my point behind these war cry like slogans is, somethings have to change drastically if we want to get our nation back...and the problem is not as simplistic as it seems to some people...

My biggest problem is, I dont know what I can do...I still don't...other than trying to enter politics or funding an organization which I feel has the right vision, I dont know what I can do...that is my biggest problem right now...:(...and that is the only debate that concerns me right now...

Besides gandhi ji ko yaad karo, used to be something we used to say a lot as a kid, whenever I fight broke out...so it was part nostalgia...:P

Amiya Shrivastava said...

I think your first line is more of a sort of teaser to me!!

SAALE MAIN US MEIN HOON MATLAB MEREE DESHBHAKTI KHATAM HO JAAYEGEE KYA??

and all those who do not understand wellbeing of our nation and act irresponsibly, without even thinking that their actions might compromise the security of the nation, however learned they may be, Ph.D, D.Sc., they are in my opinion the uneducated....

ashes said...

Anadi:

Yaar wahi baat hai, I agree, no amount of debating can help unless it is put down to action. And I am in a similar situation; I too want to do something but do not know what should be done to improve the situation. Politics is a 'daldal' as they say, firstly it is difficult to get in, secondly, it is difficult to get your voice heard even if you get in. Thirdly, with all the corruption out there, it feels scary. Anyway, let us keep thinking.

Hamare yahan kuchh aur kahawat hoti thi ladai ke baad...'Ladai ladai maaf karo, kutte ka goo saaf karo' :P

ashes said...

Amiya:

Ha ha! I knew you will react like this. :) But I had really liked your signing off on that comment :P

Anadi Misra said...

Talk about my old age and failing memory, the quote is actually not from Ram Charit Manas but its context is from Mahabharata...and it is from a poem by Ram Dhari Singh Dinkar called 'Krishna Ki Chetawani' and the line actually goes 'Yachna' and not 'Vinay', but anyway, you got what i was saying so not a total waste :)

Aside from entering politics, or becoming an administrator, there is little we can do in terms of direct impact.

As for indirect measures, well, the first thing that comes to my mind is
- Voting right...though I do admit there isn't much to choose from currently
- Supporting an organization (monetarily or by direct involvement) who we think has the right vision for India
- contributing to building India's infrastructure (educational, physical, economical). How, I haven't figured out yet....but supporting NGOs is one...there is a macro-economic re-organization of villages concept which can be implemented...but we need more people for that....
- Supporting our troops - The only reliable institution (though I do feel our higher courts, our EC and the press to an extent are reliable) we have left in case of such emergencies

India has a huge population, so there will always be a portion who is dissatisfied, will hold resentment against the others...can we eliminate it, probably not...but we can reach out and try to understand it, and probably give them a vent...there is a lot to be said about effective representation here too...but I don't want to drag this response too much...and we discussed it a little earlier so you know what I am talking of...

And ofcourse, we have to take the recourse to flush out militants with the the most ruthless of strategies....no mercy there, because I think they have gone too far to change....so perhaps support the troops in that cause too

But MOST importantly, let this attack not become a distant memory, let this wound not heal, let the anguish and fire we feel inside still be there...let this be a reminder that we were challenged, our way of living was threatened and we will retaliate, not let this one pass, and take our country back....

Cuckoo said...

Well, the one person I agree most here on this discussion is Amiya Shrivastava (except for a few minor pts like instigator being an uneducated Muslim) and most disagreeable person is Venkat.

@Venkat: Whatever we have done in the past by dividing the nation and what we are doing today by further fueling this thought of minority/ majority has done enough damage to our nation and is not going to fetch us any result.
What has happened can not be changed (well, it can be, but that is not a pt. of discussion here), but we can at least try to save what we have today. No ?

I am of the opinion that no religion or caste is above humanity and we must respect all. And no single religion is flawless, they all have their own constraints. So, let us not digress from the main agenda and concentrate on what we can do to save our nation.

The problem does not lie in religion/caste, it lies somewhere else as rightly mentioned by other readers.

As I have written on my latest post, I think we have to adopt all strategies simultaneously... attack, prevention and cure. Some long term and some short term/ immediate is the need of the hour.

@Amiya: As I mentioned I agree with you on most of the pts. However, this
because he knows that he is less likely to live so to keep his legacy alive he'll reproduce by dozens <- - This is not the only reason. They need more supporting hands to feed the family or to help the only earning member and hence they keep producing more & more without realizing the vicious circle.

@Anadi :Good suggestions at last. :) I invite you to read my post here, I too have talked about some points.
http://www.cuckooscosmos.com/Musings/2008/12/06/act-now/

@Ashes :There is nothing for you !! :)
Carry on the good discussions and act now !!

ashes said...

Anadi:

Well said. I had got the point and not paid attention to whether those panktiyan were from Ramcharitmanas or from Mahabharat.

Your list of measures match quite with Amiya's as he has discussed offline, infrastructure being one of them. He was pleasantly surprised to know that there were many such highways in India as the one to Pondicherry.

So, without digressing from the main topic, I agree that we need to NOT FORGET this and not let the wound heal.

ashes said...

Cuckoo:

Thanks for providing your valuable inputs at last :)

Amiya Shrivastava said...

people,

Where did I use the word 'Uneducated Muslim'?

Read my comments again.. I never ever meant this!

Amiya

Venkatram said...

hey @Cuckoo,
Nice comments to hear ,I guess damm good to hear and listen and put the same in moral science books.

Why dont these rules apply for minorities in Kashmir,Pakistan,Bangladesh etc Why are hindus getting butchered every day there?
I guess there is no answer for such things.

Btw which nation are you talking about many parts of India does not want to be part of it be it Kashmir,Assam,Kerala etc wherein there are muslim majority population areas nobody wants to be part of India.

What about north-east states which are majority christian ,even a dog there doesnt consider itself Indian?

I guess we have to open our eyes and get out of idealism of secularism ,humanity etc etc.Such atitude only led to partition once If we keep sleeping like this it may lead to many more.

Cuckoo said...

@Venkat: Ok, So what do you suggest ? Pls guide us what to do next. We, here, are a bunch of fools who still think India can remain one and survive.
Do not just keep talking, suggest some concrete doable steps to handle such situations.

Shall we divide the country into so many pieces ? Or we let the hatred grow or something else ? What books do you suggest for our school kids ?

I am very much interested to know. Pls guide us. Waiting for your valuable advice.

BTW, how many friends do you have from north-east India or even muslims ? Have you ever tried to do so on your own ?
You are quite an interesting person, I am interested to know it all.

Cuckoo said...

@Ashes: Can you pls try to have a plugin for following the comments ? I hate to use my outdated blogger id for the same.

ashes said...

Cuckoo:

What sort of plugin do you need? The way you have in your wordpress? We already have that in blogger. Try the Name/URL option.

If you want something else, please let me know. I will try to write one.

Cuckoo said...

Yes, the way I have in wordpress.

I always use Name/url option wherever the blog owner has opted for it but this option doesn't let me know when a new comment is added. To see that, I have to login with my old blogger id. If you click on the link of my name, it'll take you to my old blog. Do you get what I am saying ?

ashes said...

Cuckoo:

I got it now. You want to be subscribed by email and yet link your non-blogger url on your name. I am sorry blogger doesn't provide that kind of features. And since I do not have a custom domain of my own, I cannot add something on the top of blogger. I tried calling the javascript methods directly but Google sends a unique security token that is generated based on the blog id, post id, and the timestamp, which I could not find the algorithm for.

However, there are few measures you can adopt to follow up comments:

- Subscribe to comments on email from the Be posted widget on the top right of the blog. This will, however, deliver all comment-emails in a specified time-window once a day.
- Request me, and I'll add your email id in the list of email ids that get an email whenever a comment is published. This is instantaneous.
- Subscribe to comments on the reader from the Be posted widget on the top right of my blog.

The above mehods will, however, subscribe to all comments on all posts on my blog. Once you've subscribed, you'll get emails for comments on posts you haven't even read or commented upond.

- The most tedious but the method giving exactly what you want: Post a comment using your google id, and subscribe to comments. Then delete this comment and post the same using your Name/URL.
- Another option is to post more than one comment, the first with google id and the subsequent ones with your Name/URL.

This is one more place where Wordpress scores over blogger. The Google loyalist that I am, I hope that Google will come up with a custom-email-to-follow-up-comments soon.

Cuckoo said...

@Ashes: :) :)
Many thanks for your detailed reply. :)

Yes, I wanted exactly that. I am sorry to say that I have tried ALL these methods umpteen no. of times and was aware of them except for what you tried to do on your own. :)

Anyway, thanks for your efforts.

Anonymous said...

Dont worry for all these details you can always read my book it shall be coming out in 4 months time around in april/may.
I hope I can answer all your questions and open the eyes of some "page3" kind of people in India who are in thier own dreamland.
Anyways btw whts the point abt making frnds with these I have lots of frnds even non-Indians the same is with these people also just that they dont consider themselves Indians anymore.

Anonymous said...

http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/dec/08mumterror-are-we-heading-to-being-a-failed-state.htm
Please read this article before making any comments I guess There is a lack of awareness amongst the bloggers here.

ashes said...

Venkat and the Anonymous Venkat:

So what do you mean? We don't worry for the details and simply listen to your bullshit without you giving an explanation? Give us some arguments to support your statements. Talking about history wouldn't serve the purpose. Give us something concrete.

Thanks, but what awareness are you talking about? I could not quite relate between what you say and what that article on rediff states. Could you please elaborate?

Anonymous said...

Most of the comments as anonymous is venkat here,Please forgive me I am not able to login with google account.

Please read the blog carefully about north-east and other things It has quite a lot of data in it.

Anonymous said...

ok fine read this line,search like this,I cant
help u anymore.
In the northwest, Kashmir burns. The population clearly views India as a colony

Amiya Shrivastava said...

Venkat,

Agreed, India has lots of problems regarding communalism and Hindus are being cornered by some sect of people taking advantage of their minority status. Agreed, there is illegal infiltration of people from all sides in India and they are gnawing up its integrity and peace day by day.

So, what is the solution you are offering. If I am not wrong you guys offer a complete annihilation of minorities and an establishment of Hindu state. Right?

Alright! Where does it leave you? even if you are able to convince us that it's true. let's say tomorrow we all get convinced and start 'PURGING UP' or such a Hindu Government launches surgical attacks on all the Muslims and Christians of India.

Do we see blood and depression after that or do we see development? Will it give us a better standard of life or will it make us an easy target for the rest of the world? Will we be able to live harmoniously with rest of the world after that or will we be labeled as as a majority state and be feared by rest of the world like the case is with Middle east country?

In my opinion there are two ways to win - One- Kill your opponents - Other - Make yourself so strong that nobody else can beat you.
If you go for the former you are a loser big time and this fact will then eat you the rest of your life, if you go for the latter, certainly you are invincible.

Amiya

Amiya Shrivastava said...

Abhinav Bindra won Olympic Gold medal and I am very happy for him, he is pride of the nation...and he is indeed awarded suitably...

..Our commandos who fought against these terrorists should also be awarded ..monetarily (They have won our praises and accolades , now it's the time for material reward); all those who have fought must be given not less than 1 lakh each by the government...(I would like my tax money to go to them)...and should we appeal government to do this?

ashes said...

Amiya:

That is a nice thought. The ones who have fought should be rewarded in the material way as well. That would encourage them and others too.

Cuckoo said...

@Venkat:
I am glad I do not know you personally. And I salute them who do.

Anonymous said...

Venkat Here:
I think we shud first respect the other speaker who blogs or airs his views,it is a sign of weak argument when one resorts to personal comments.
Anyways I have my own views and I respect others views also,truth doesnt change if we dont want to hear it.
The need the day is to be practical and not idealistic,there is no place for idealism in politics.
I think we shud see all faces of the coin and then only comment.
I think because of such liberal and impractical ideology we have a created a messy nation ,which may collapse anytime.

ashes said...

Cuckoo:

Venkat is right. You should not resort to personal comments. You can target his views, but not him. A lot has anyway been said against him.

ashes said...

Venkat:

You are right, truth doesn't change if we don't want to hear it. But a statement does't become the truth if you say so. Let us accept that your views are radically different from everyone else's here, and I know they cannot be changed. You have some set of beliefs, like the messy-nation-that-can-collapse-any-time, which are borrowed from the rediff article you had cited a few comments above, but you just want to criticize the past and do nothing for the present/future. The need of the hour is to put the past behind our backs and worry about bettering the present/future.

Anonymous said...

Venkat Here:
@Cuckoo:
I think I seem to have won your sympathy vote:))

Cuckoo said...

@Venkat:

I am sorry for hurting your sentiments. It was in a spur of a moment. I am really sorry about it.

Anonymous said...

Venkat Here,
Damage is already done my heart is broken into thousand peices.I am thinking of claiming for damages now:)),just joking no prob at all.

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